Webapps chatlog - 2007-06-19

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00:31:03 pixelation I'm having trouble finding a proxy that supports outgoing information.
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00:59:23 pixelation Anyone know of a proxy server that doesn't log information and can handle outgoing information (such as posting on an image board, forum etc.)?
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01:02:28 ion_sea_saw  '<
01:03:56 ion_sea_saw hi im new to this so sorry 4 the stupid question but most of the web based apps are written in javascript arnt theuy?
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01:21:18 pixelation Nope.
01:21:30 pixelation Most (I am guessing) are in php.
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07:06:49 Andy hi
07:06:59 Andy fjffjjfjfjfjfjjffjuck
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08:03:42 pixelation Can someone tell me if my homeserver is up: http://baw.selfip.net
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08:08:17 DiscoStud pixelation: doesn't seem so, not on port 80 at least
08:08:49 pixelation Mind if I PM you DiscoStud?
08:08:54 DiscoStud sure
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15:11:58 docwhat Hello! I'm having a weird problem with Opera and YUI. It seems like the mousedown's event.pageY is not lining up with the YAHOO.util.Dom.getY(thingy_I_clicked_on).
15:14:05 nicomen Im not familiar with YUI unfortunately
15:14:14 nicomen what do you mean by lining up?
15:21:27 docwhat I have an event for mousedown registered on an element.
15:21:43 docwhat When I get the event and check the pageY, I get something like: 452
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15:22:15 docwhat However, when I use the getY() function on the element, I get 377 (with a height of only 24px).
15:22:46 docwhat As you can see 377+24 = 401, which is much less than 452 (where the click allegedly happened).
15:25:44 docwhat Strangely, offsettop is 451 which is right what I expect. So YAHOO's getY is broken some how....
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15:29:36 nicomen hm
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15:33:33 docwhat Okay, so there is a loop in the getXY that walks through the parents of the element.
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15:34:09 docwhat If the parent's display is not 'inline', then it substracts the scrollLeft and scrollTop (from x & y respectively)
15:37:15 docwhat It seems that when it gets to the table's td that encompasses this element, (display == 'table-cell') it subtracts the scrollTop, which is what changes it from 451 to 377.
15:38:43 docwhat The TD in question is displayed across the whole page, but it shouldn't have a scrollTop of anything but 0 at the moment because the page scroll's bar is at the top.
15:41:42 docwhat Strangely enough, it looks like 74, the scrollTop, is EXACTLY the same as the offsetTop.
15:41:51 docwhat I'm thinking this is a strange Opera bug.
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15:42:07 docwhat Is there a bug channel?
15:42:10 gmoz The getPos function from quirksmode.org has worked perfectly fine for me
15:42:24 docwhat the getXY from YAHOO works fine too, EXCEPT HERE.
15:42:25 docwhat :-)
15:43:06 gmoz suggest replacing it with findPos from quirksmode =)
15:43:49 nicomen docwhat: can you make a testcase?
15:44:07 docwhat nicomen: I'll try making a smaller one.
15:44:12 nicomen docwhat: excellent
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15:44:53 nicomen if you want you can file a bug at http://bugs.opera.com/wizard
15:45:38 nicomen with a testcase one can see the problem immeditaly, and if it's a bug it may even become part of testing efforts so that the bug doesn't reappear
15:46:04 nicomen however it could be some of the edities of the browser being in quirksmode or supporting some css style that other's dont etc..
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15:48:50 docwhat nicomen: Here's a test case. The symptom is the left-right sliders don't work on the ratings graph: http://vivisimo.com/food
15:50:11 nicomen docwhat: there's a width css bug
15:50:21 docwhat What's that?
15:50:30 nicomen line 779 in food.css
15:51:56 nicomen shouldn't matter I guess
15:52:01 nicomen but it's ok to sort those out ;)
15:52:16 docwhat Ah, I thought you meant in opera. I think that's fixed else where. The demo pages trail everything else.
15:52:57 nicomen ok
15:54:33 nicomen it's a bit too much code to quickly sort out though
15:54:45 nicomen is there some way you could extract the rating part?
15:56:56 nicomen which element exactl is the problematic one?
15:57:12 docwhat In that demo, I'm not sure....
15:57:23 docwhat I'd have to design a much smaller page, but that'd take a bit of work.
15:57:32 nicomen aaah ok
15:57:44 nicomen so what exactly are you saying
15:57:48 docwhat It's frustrating, because I have similar code that *does* work correctly on different pages.
15:58:22 docwhat Actually, I have the same code that works correctly on different pages. Something about the layout causes the scrollTop to not be zero.
16:00:20 docwhat gmoz: The code from quirks mode is very similar to the yui one. It doesn't have code for dealing with scrolling areas, though. And that code is what's tripping this bug in opera.
16:08:23 docwhat I'm seeing if I can make a minimalistic version.
16:19:44 docwhat Augh. This is hard. :-/
16:24:40 docwhat Interestingly, it looks like YUI is already aware of an opera bug....it has this comment above the section:
16:24:40 docwhat  // work around opera inline scrollLeft/Top bug
16:24:52 docwhat I'm guessing that this happens with table-cell as well. :-(
16:25:27 docwhat table-row, I mean.
16:29:00 docwhat bleh.
16:36:29 nicomen heh
16:37:08 Remco docwhat: Do they work around a bug or are they breaking it because it was fixed in Opera itself?
16:37:21 docwhat It looks like a workaround.
16:37:42 docwhat I'm getting a non-zero scrollTop on an element that doesn't have scrollbars.
16:38:17 docwhat In otherwords, if the scrollHeight == offsetHeight, then scrollTop MUST BE 0
16:39:37 docwhat YUI bug: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1576570&group_id=165715&atid=836476
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16:51:24 Tim hi all
16:51:43 Orcinus hello
16:52:10 gmoz http://my.opera.com/zomg/blog/2007/06/19/funny-windows-2000-translation-mistake
16:52:11 Tim where u from?
16:52:12 gmoz =)
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18:49:21 letham can anybody help me with icq
18:49:33 nicomen what do you need help with?
18:50:17 letham I am a new user of the icq
18:50:27 nicomen what do you need help with?
18:50:35 letham and donot know how to enter into it
18:50:50 letham how can I enter the icq
18:50:52 nicomen where?
18:51:03 letham www.icq.com
18:51:11 nicomen you need to download the program
18:51:29 letham I have downloaded it
18:51:44 letham I do not what shall I do after that
18:51:51 nicomen install it and run it
18:51:58 nicomen then register or add your icq details to it
18:52:12 nicomen but, I know little of mirabilis' software
18:52:21 nicomen ask something about opera and webapps and I might know more
18:52:38 letham ok thanx a lot
18:52:54 letham u know more than me about that
18:53:13 nicomen it's probably been 7 years since I used mirabilis icq on windows
18:53:22 nicomen nowadays I just use bitlbee
18:53:27 letham oh that's a long time
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18:53:38 letham ok
18:53:49 letham that's something I do not even know
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18:54:19 nicomen it's a gateway kind of between msn,icq,jabber,yahoo chat, aol chat and IRC
18:54:30 nicomen so I can use Opera or another IRC client instead
18:54:56 letham oh great
18:55:05 letham but too complex I think
18:55:20 nicomen maybe
18:55:29 nicomen requires you to read it carefully ;)
18:55:47 letham I am a newuser of this engine that's my problem
18:56:00 letham ok thanx a lot man for your clarifications
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19:21:27 seki1234 http://s1.metaldamage.pl/c.php?uid=224156
19:21:37 aleksanteri nicomen: spam..
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19:22:49 nicomen polish racing game?
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19:27:32 gmoz Spam: the polish racing game
19:28:03 gmoz The winner is the one who spams channels #start #lap1 #lap2 #lap3 and then is first to spam #finish
19:28:06 gmoz =)
19:28:13 aleksanteri lol
19:28:47 nicomen haha
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20:46:28 Ramunas nicomen: can you ban her please?
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20:46:43 Ramunas she's been annoying him for a few days already
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23:47:46 janbar s zostal tam wklejony?
23:47:46 janbar ;]
23:48:53 janbar srry, wrong channel ;]
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